Help please

[Pugs-R-MandyBait]

::1./ I know bitches go to the stud but do you have to? Can i not take him to her?
>> Sure ... but why?? What will these two dogs contribute to the betterment of the Pug Breed? Why does this litter need to be born?

2./ What is he isnt intrested in her, do we take him away or keep them together a bit longer?
>> Again ... why expose him at all? You have the opinions of several highly distinguished breeders and show folk that this is not a good idea. What have these dogs done to merit reproducing?

3./ How long does the umm loving last for?
>>> As long as it does ... and it should not at all.

4./ He has been vet checked and got all his jabs etc, do we have to make sure the bitch has all her jabs also
>>> Jab and then some. A full vet work up is required and the pssibility of genetic as well. Pugs are not a hearty breed and require careful and thoughtful breeding. Not just a casual, "Cause they are registered." arrangement.

And any other info would be great thank you::
>>> Pass on this opportunity and neuter your beloved pet and enjoy him the rest of his days.

[whatapug]

Hi
Welcome to the forum,

I have seen your posts on another site, therefore i think you have answered your own questions on why your boy should not be used at stud..
posted less than 2 weeks ago..


We've got our pug!!!

It was third time lucky with this guy!

1st pug we went to see was one of the "alien" looking ones, with a big forehead and buggy out eyes, her breathing was awful, even just sat still she was heaving

Second pug was MAD, a 10 month old boy and he never stopped barking, even barking at his owners and their kids, he even got so tired he had to lay down, but carried on barking!

Today we saw an apricot male pug, entire male, 3 years old, he had a really cute picture, the face said it all "nobody loves me :-("

As it turns out he's a very high pedigree, and was bought as a stud, but his amorous attempts are...ahem... lacking.

Basically he's crap, he just dry humps and never does the job right lol

She was gutted to get rid of him as he's so lovely!

Well he's lovely, loving, cuddly and perfect.

He pulls on the lead a bit, gets overexcited but a bit of training and stern words will sort that out soon enough.

He's still exploring our house, he is housetrained but we are expecting him to mark at some point tonight, but we'll nip that in the bud before anything starts.
Ooo forgot to mention we are taking him to the vets

1. he has a scratch on his eye, so going to get that looked at, not posing him any problems, but want to get it seen before it starts!

2. We discovered he had a lot of dirt under his nose ridge, and from trying to get at it with a baby wipe discovered it is very sore and painful, so probably infected, so we'll get that looked at.

3. He's a little underweght for the breed, but nothing a good dinner won't cure! (think it'll be due to competing with a fat bitch lol)

4. he needs things! He had no bed, no toys and no collar, and the harness he has is too small so we get to go shopping! yay puggy toys
Bad news, the scratch we noticed on the eye is scar tissue, his whole eye is scarred over because of entropian, he's blind in that eye, and the other has slight scar tissue.

The vet was astonished that someone had let it get that bad, his whole eye is just scarred over, we asked if they could have missed it....

He said we've had him 12 hours and we noticed...they've had him months, no way they could have missed it.

The nose ridge is fine though, mucky but not infected thank god.

He needs entropian surgery,£300+ though.

And huh.. the for sale ads have all disappeared, phones and emails are going unanswered.... wonder why

[GothPugs]

I never said my friend was inexperienced the questions were for me.
We have had a chat with a few pug breeders and done a lot of reading up,i never said we WERE going to do it i was asking some questions not just jumping into it.

I dont agree with people breeding for money etc
Im sick of seeing pugs with horrific breathing and all the other probles that have come from idiots breeding and cross breeding for jugs,chugs etc just for the sake of it!

We have been asked from a number of people when we have taken him to shows if we would use him on thier bitches and refused point blank.

Thank you for the replys

[Angus2009]

Whatapug im actually gob smacked at that post :-0
Made me feel a bit sad.

[Bethy]

I think we're all wasting our breath, here. Some just don't want to be educated.

People don't realize another thing, when considering using their dog at stud. The bitch owner gets the puppies. There's not much in it for the owner of the stud dog, except a small stud fee, if any.

[GothPugs]

Just wanted to clear up that the problem with his eye turned out to be secondary entropian, which is entropian caused by the swelling on the eye, which in his case was from a bad scratch the vet believed to be from a cat possibly, after the swelling has gone down now due to a course of fucithalmic veterinary antibiotic eye drops the entropian has now gone. It is not the genetic form.

The vet has checked him and was very impressed with his physical status, he said he was the healthiest pug he has ever seen, he has no breathing problems due to soft pallete problems and also has very large nostrils, which is another good point as a lot of pugs have nostrils so small they are useless.

He is not obese like the majority of pugs are, and as many judges have said he is pure muscle and very well built.

He is KC registered out of top lines, and has been doing very well showing, has excellent paces and a perfect stand.

We're not in it for the money, we want to breed some HEALTHY pugs, thats why when someone at a show asked us if we would mate him to their bitch, who was about the size of a chiuhauha with the head of a normal pug, and breathing like a rhino on steroids, we point blank refused them.

I asked a few questions, didn't say I was going to do it, just was thinking about it, and at least I am doing a lot of research before I even consider it.

[6 Beautiful Pugs]

Those friends and family members who would like a puppy, can they not adopt a rescue or shelter pug?

There are so many loving, devoted dogs destroyed every year, pugs among them. Please leave the breeding to the champions and don't contribute to the overabundance of pet dogs. Your sweet boy will be a happier, healthier guy once neutered as well.

Take care,
Lisa

[GothPugs]

Yes of course they can,but are wanting a pug and i doubt they will find one in theiir local dog rescue.
I do agree only the best should be bred from but unfortunatly is dosnt happen like that,you only have to look in pet shops,internet,local papers etc to see what is being bred !

At the end of the day we have a lovely healthy pedigree dog we though about putting to a friends well bred female and that was it, we didnt go out and do it.

I dont want this getting into a debate as i said was just asking some questions and got replys thank you.

I do not agree with people breeding for money or just to get a puppy, if they wanted a inbred or crossed pug they would go get one as that is all that seems for sale around me.


Again thank you for the replys.

[Snifter]

Just wanted to clear up that the problem with his eye turned out to be secondary entropian, which is entropian caused by the swelling on the eye, which in his case was from a bad scratch the vet believed to be from a cat possibly, after the swelling has gone down now due to a course of fucithalmic veterinary antibiotic eye drops the entropian has now gone. It is not the genetic form.

The vet has checked him and was very impressed with his physical status, he said he was the healthiest pug he has ever seen, he has no breathing problems due to soft pallete problems and also has very large nostrils, which is another good point as a lot of pugs have nostrils so small they are useless.

He is not obese like the majority of pugs are, and as many judges have said he is pure muscle and very well built.

He is KC registered out of top lines, and has been doing very well showing, has excellent paces and a perfect stand.

We're not in it for the money, we want to breed some HEALTHY pugs, thats why when someone at a show asked us if we would mate him to their bitch, who was about the size of a chiuhauha with the head of a normal pug, and breathing like a rhino on steroids, we point blank refused them.

I asked a few questions, didn't say I was going to do it, just was thinking about it, and at least I am doing a lot of research before I even consider it.

I am glad the entropion in the bad eye has gone. What was causing the scar tissue in the good eye?

[Dieselsmom]

Yes of course they can,but are wanting a pug and i doubt they will find one in theiir local dog rescue.
I do agree only the best should be bred from but unfortunatly is dosnt happen like that,you only have to look in pet shops,internet,local papers etc to see what is being bred !

It's not a debate - you're just not getting the replies you want and you don't like it. We're not here to tell you what a wonderful person you are for not knowing a thing about breeding and yet still thinking about doing it. We're here to tell you how serious breeding any dog, especially a pug, is and it's not something to do without any knowledge whatsoever. You said it all - look at all the dogs that are bred with no consideration for the animals - how exactly is you breeding your pug any different? Yep, if you don't breed with this woman's dog, she'll go out and find another stud, but at least you won't be a party to another moron breeding another unwanted litter of puppies. Spend one day in an animal rescue - one day seeing all of the unwanted, disposed of animals, and you'll never again consider adding to that by breeding your pug.