Help please

[GothPugs]

I wholeheartedly disagree that just because a dog is a "champion" does not mean it is a good example at all.These dogs are champions, as high as you can get at crufts. Look how overweight they are, look at the horrendous breathing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqlUPBt2lWEJust because a dog is a champion does not mean it is healthy, especially when the breed standard asks for unhealthy traits to be prominent, such as hip dysplasi in alsations etc. this is why the KC breed standards had to be reviewed under the new animal welfare act, as they promoted breeding unhealthy traits.Also, It may be different in the USA, but in the UK there are about 3 pug rescues for the whole of the country, all of which have waiting lists years long.

[whatapug]

In response to your above post, what makes you think that the dogs in the video are champions?

[tall grass pugs]

Problems like luxating patellas, liver shunts, and stenotic nares are common faults with the breed and require huge investments of cash at the vet. Problems like PDE are not correctable, break the heart of the mourning owner and cost the life of a happy young dog. Instead of behaving like a bull in a china shop with confronted with people asking you not to do a rash act, you need to go on down to the library and study up. Pug mothers are notoriously casual mothers, especially to newborns. Why start the cycle again.

[6 Beautiful Pugs]

No breed standards for any dog ask for hip dysplasia or other genetic faults to be prominent. Where in the breed standard do you read this?

I'm so glad in your country the rescues have waiting lists, because here we have many, many dogs which die in shelters every day, pugs among them. Of the nine dogs at my feet right now, 8 were or are rescues.

Take care,
Lisa

[GothPugs]

Hip dysplasia occurs in dogs like alsations because the breed standard used to ask for dogs to be high at the shoulder and as low at the waist as possible, which is where the hip dysplasia started, with people breeding to that standard.

Just like pugs have problems with birth and delivery because the breed standard asks for them to be broader in the chest than in the waist, which is why bitches have problems with birth, because the puppys heads are so large in comparison to the bitches waist.

Not directly asking to breed problems, but breeding to a standard that causes them.

[tall grass pugs]

And if your boy and the bitch are more or less bred to standard, why do you think you more or less won't have these problems.

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[GothPugs]

At the end of the day she has the right to breed like the other people on here that do, breed champion as you say dosnt mean a pug wont have these problems.
So every person who does breed are all in the wrong because it dosnt matter is its this or that, or won this breed championship or a local open show.
As everyone who breeds ANY kind of dog knows theres always risks, as long as they have forever loving homes for them, and can afford any vetenary care needed for bitch or puppys, and not out to make money then what more can they do?
Its a sad face there any many many dogs needing homes, i had 3 rescues myself who lived the rest of their lives out with us.

[Rosiepug]

At the end of the day she has the right to breed like the other people on here that do, breed champion as you say dosnt mean a pug wont have these problems.
So every person who does breed are all in the wrong because it dosnt matter is its this or that, or won this breed championship or a local open show.
As everyone who breeds ANY kind of dog knows theres always risks, as long as they have forever loving homes for them, and can afford any vetenary care needed for bitch or puppys, and not out to make money then what more can they do?
Its a sad face there any many many dogs needing homes, i had 3 rescues myself who lived the rest of their lives out with us.

Yes, there are always going to be risks when breeding dogs.

By doing the necessary health checks and checking the 5 generation pedigrees on both sides, to see what faults those dogs may have or carry, you are doing your utmost to try to irradiate genetic/hereditary problems which can be passed onto your puppies.

If your Dam and Sire doesn't have luxating patellar you hope your puppys won't suffer either. If you know five generations down the line that none of the dogs have LP you're pretty sure it won't show up in your puppies.

If a Grand Sire or Grand Dam has had puppies in a litter with a cleft palate there is a good possibility that it will arise again.

I understand that you want to defend your friends right to breed. What I don't understand is why you are so against doing the necessary health tests and checking out the pedigrees of your dog and bitch.
It's not just a matter of you having enough money for the Vets bills and homes for your dogs, what about the animals who suffer pain all their life if they have grade 4 LP or HV? Isn't it worth doing all you can to try to avoid this?

[GothPugs]

Yes, there are always going to be risks when breeding dogs.

By doing the necessary health checks and checking the 5 generation pedigrees on both sides, to see what faults those dogs may have or carry, you are doing your utmost to try to irradiate genetic/hereditary problems which can be passed onto your puppies.

If your Dam and Sire doesn't have luxating patellar you hope your puppys won't suffer either. If you know five generations down the line that none of the dogs have LP you're pretty sure it won't show up in your puppies.

All healthchecks and 5 generations on both side are known!
Please dont put idiotic things like "What I don't understand is why you are so against doing the necessary health tests and checking out the pedigrees of your dog and bitch."

When i have never said she dosnt want to get health checks done !! Please dont start saying things which is not true because i most of you who have posted havnt read what ive been putting.

End of, if you want to assume things PM me