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    Default Help please

    My friend has asked me to use my dog as a stud to her bitch.
    Now before i say yes or no i want to ask a few questions first.


    1./ I know bitches go to the stud but do you have to? Can i not take him to her?

    2./ What is he isnt intrested in her, do we take him away or keep them together a bit longer?

    3./ How long does the umm loving last for?

    4./ He has been vet checked and got all his jabs etc, do we have to make sure the bitch has all her jabs also


    And any other info would be great thank you

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    Why would you want to breed your dog as opposed to neutering him? Each puppy litter puts the mother at risk as pups are block headed and are often hard to deliver. Each litter potentially contributes to abandoned and unwanted adult dogs. And before you ever breed a dog, they both need to be examined for correct bone and joints and eyes at the very least. Do you know if either your friend's dog or your good boy come from a breeder that has PDE in their bloodlines. Please don't do this.

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    They are both very healthy dogs

    She is going to breed her bitch anyway and just wanted to use ours as he is very fit and healthy .

    I dont agree with people breeding for money or just breeding bad examples etc but she wants a litter of her bitch .she gets her done

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    My first question would be, has your dog finished his championship? This is the way you determine if the dog is the truly the "breed standard". Only dogs who are the breed standard should be bred to assure you are breeding to better the breed.

    My next question would be, do you know all about the past 4 generations in his pedigree? Do you know for certain that there is no PDE or other potentially genetically transfered defects? If not, it is not worth the risk of putting puppies at risk.

    A responsible breeder will take back any dog they have bred no matter the age or medical problem. If your friend who owns the female refuses, then it would be on you. Can you afford to take care of any medically needy dogs that are produced because of this breeding?

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    Yes i know both there pedigree.

    My friend can afford any vet treatment and her dogs have the best care.
    She will be keeping a pup herself,and her mum and sister will be having one ,depending on the litter size.
    So will have a good home for life,she is very experienced the questions were just for me.
    Going to go do some reading up now.

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    I am a breeder.......

    I have both stud dogs and breedable females all registered with the AKC...and are Champions ...Ben is 4 pts away from his Grand Championship....

    Do you know your dog's bloodlines....and the lines of the female??? Are you ready to be responsible for any pups your boy might produce???

    By your questions, you are not familiar with heat cycles, progesterone, breeding of the male and female...or gestation! I suggest you either go to the library or purchase books and do a lot of reading up on things!

    I would also suggest that the owner of the female do the same!! When I am called for a stud service...I tell the owner of all that can go wrong!! The female dying during gestation, or on the table during a c section.....being with the mom for a week before pups are delivered and for at least 2 wks afterward. Moms not wanting to feed the pups.....pups dying...moms sitting or laying on pups....moms getting sick....etc!!!

    Breeding is not just putting two dogs together...there is a lot of research and work to be done before and afterward!

    I HATE breeding!!!! I do it so that I can have something hopefully to show...and then place the remaining pups in loving pet homes to be neutered or spayed.

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    please don't do it....

    read this


    Don't let this happen to you.

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    I have read that both the dog as well as the bitch can find the mating experience somewhat traumatic, particularly when supervised by inexperienced people who may be nervous and will transmit that to their dogs.

    I have also read that mating two previously unmated animals together is not generally a good idea; at least one should have had some previous experience. Whether this is true or not I don't know; I can't remember where I read it.

    Finally I have heard that the female may try to move away before the tie is finished and if that is not stopped you could cause serious injury to both dogs.

    If you are going to pursue this you really should find somebody who is experienced to be present at the mating to make sure all goes well.

    I would question the value of letting your boy do it "just the once". If you are not going to neuter him and not going to let him be a regular stud dog it seems to me that he has the worst of all worlds after mating; knowing precisely what his bits are for but no outlet for it. You will certainly get worse issues than you would otherwise should there be a female in season anywhere in your area in future.


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    there are many more reasons AGAINST doing this, than there are reasons FOR it.....

    please tell her no and try to educate her as to why.....

    refer her to pugvillage if you want to

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    Once you use your dog as a stud, he will be forever humping other dogs, you, children, furniture legs, for sexual satisfaction. He will also mark in your house and anyone else's that you take him too.

    I know you are new to pugs so I want you to think carefully about what you are getting in to.

    Before you breed, both your dog and the female should have been Showing to Championship status, this is how you know that your dog conforms to breed standard and after that, you need both dogs to under go tests for Brucellosis, Hermivertibra, hip, and elbow dysplasia and luxating Patellar. You also need an examination from a Veterinary Ophthalmologist to determine there are no congenital eye problems. I've just done this in preparation to breed next year if I can make Pudding a champion to the tune of hundreds of £'s.

    You need to know every dog on both 5 generation pedigrees are free from disease and congenital abnormalities. Without this you may breed to dogs that don't compliment each other physically.

    If you and your friend breed without doing this, you're not being responsible breeders.
    She's taking a light hearted approach and could be breeding disasters, backs too long, too short, one may have stenotic nares or an elongated soft palate, somewhere down the line there could be brachycephalic syndrome, which will lead in the long run to hundreds but more likely thousands of £'s in vets bills. There is so much more than putting two dogs together. I hope you'll think twice about this.

    Also does she know that pugs in general make terrible mothers and therefore she needs to get up every two hours during the night to supervise the puppies being fed? She needs to supervise this during the day too, can she do this or does she work? It will be for 2 to 4 weeks until the pups are weaned. Also pugs sometimes need a Cesarean section costing hundreds of £'s.

    I may breed Pudding next year when she has 2yrs of show experience and hopefully a championship under her belt. We have already under gone the health checks to the tune of hundreds of £'s and are currently researching her ancestors on her pedigree.

    After spending what I have, on show entry fees, hotels to accommodate us when we go to the international shows, the health scans, I can assure you there is no money to be made on puppies. It could never nearly re-embourse me for my expenditure. It's a labour of love and a hobby.

    It's a lot to digest. I hope you can have a frank discussion with your friend and convince her to do the necessary prep, if she is determined to go ahead.

    If you refuse to allow Smudge to become a father, I'm sure you're right that she will find another Stud but at least he hasn't been spoilt by mating once and you haven't contributed to what may go wrong down the line if you haven't done all the necessary prep work.

    Good luck, it's an enormous decision.
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