Hello PV !!!
We had a dog behaviourst come in, just to show us some things...its was really fascinating. She did mention Yoda (6 months) needs some serious leadership when it comes to walking on his leash...so she put a material choke collar on his leash, and said we must train him this way....only until he gets the hang of walking next to us and not running amock on his harness. So, my question is....I thought her being a Pro, it would be okay...but I downloaded this Pug Book, and it says we must NOT use a collar on a pug, of any age, ever, as it can cause a collapsed trachea! So yeah - not too sure what to do?!
I never use collars on my pugs for that reason, I dont want to do anything to injure or damage them. That being said, I use harnesses on them both and they pull like little sled dogs! although I havent really tried much to break them of it Im sure someone will chime in with some training advice without having to use a collar on them.
When we walk our pugs we never attach the lead to theit collars. we use the Puppia harnesses on them because they gor over the chest of the pugs. when we walk and they try to pull we get them to stop pulling using a commanding "NO PULL". We never shout at them, but we use that to remind them who the alpha is in the group. They generally mind pretty well. Best of luck with training!
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Oh My! Well this specialist doesn't seem to be a pug specialist. I would never attach a leash to my pugs collars. It just is not a good idea. All three of ours wear collars, but they are very loose (they can slip them off if they wanted too). When we walk them or they are out in public they always have a harness on them.
I would assume you can train Yoda wearing a harness. I'm sure many PV'ers have done it.
I would never use a collar on a pug or a choke collar on any other dog........ it's the easy way out which equals you pull, I choke you!
Whether using an ordinary collar or a harness, commanding and luring, offering rewards is the only way to go in my opinion.
When in harness put Yoda by your left side, leash in your right hand and give a command i.e. Yoda heel, and set off walking, don't look at him, look straight ahead and walk with a purpose. As soon as he starts to pull, STOP dead in your tracks, when he relaxes and the leash slackens (and this may take a few minutes) put him in place again commanding Yoda heel, you can lure him with a treat in your left hand when he does a few steps correctly. Continue to command heel, always using his name before a command and treat very frequently for correct behavor. As time goes by he'll do more for less rewards but in the beginning he'll need plenty of treats and verbal rewards.
This takes time, you won't fix it overnight but if you can do 2 x 10 minutes a day, followed by a play session like fetch, he'll get to understand what you're asking and will see it as fun, he gets rewards and he gets playtime afterwards. Gradually lengthen the training sessions as he concentrates for longer.
ETA, I just read in your other thread that your puppy is only six months old. Please don't use a choke collar on him, he has soft bones, ligament and tissues and is still growing. No telling what damage it could do but imagine the worst case scenario.
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GOODNESS ME ! Thank you all for your input - I will NOT ever use the collar again, I've only used it a couple times, have always hated the choke collar. I feel like a bad mommy. But I am so happy I know what you all say and think, and I will rather go with pugxperts than the behaiviourist. I realize how serious this is and will only use the harness form now on. Rosiepug, I really appreciate your training advice - I'm going to try that from now on. He is still a "baby" and would NEVER want anything to happen to him, rather him be safe and happy at all times :)
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Absolutely do not use a choke collar.
For shows etc my dogs have to wear a collar. I have used half check (martingale) collars on mine. These tighten but only to a pre-set amount so they don't choke the dog but it lessens the risk of them slipping off.
If you have a really hard puller a collar could well cause damage, though. The collars for the show ring are very narrow, but for practising I use a fairly wide half check collar so that if there is a bit of an unexpected pull the strain is at least spread over a wider area.
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Just about anyone can claim to be a "pro", but it doesn't mean anything! There are wonderful dog trainers out there, unfortunately this one sounds stuck about 20 yrs behind the times! Dogs don't pull because they they need leadership, they pull because they want to walk faster and haven't been taught pulling won't work.
I have no problem using a reg. collar or martingale, but never ever a choke, and the whole point is to keep the leash slack, so they never feel any tension on the collar. If a dog was seriously pulling and choking themselves I would use a harness that you clip the leash to the front (there are special harnesses made this way, but any harness with an O ring on the front can be used this way.)
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The only dog I ever used a thin choke collare with was Nikki. I needed it cuz she paced and I had to get her out of it. But....it was slack 99.9 of the time!
I use show leads to show my guys......
Have collars to walk them, but prefer the harnesses.
No collars on my crew either. My oldest is 12 and younger one is 9 and they have never worn collars. It's not worth the risk in my eyes.