I brought Ellie to the vet yesterday, she weighs a whopping 12lbs. Vet said she looked good, got the de-wormer meds for her as well. Said once the worms are clear she should gain a bit of weight and fill out more. He checked her breathing 4 different times throughout the visit. Said if I had her spayed, he could do the soft palate surgery at the same time, and it would only be an extra $125 added on. So total cost for her to be spayed and the SP surgery would be around 425-450.
Her breathing is VERY labored, especially when stressed. He told me no more than 5-10mins outside when its above 80*, which seemed insane to me, Pug enjoys being outside when its 90*. (of course, lots of fresh water, and when he starts breathing like crazy, he's inside for a few hours.) But I do worry like crazy about her breathing. He said with her breathing, she was lucky she didn't die when her previous owners bred her. Now, if that's an exaggeration, I am not sure, but he did seem VERY concerned with how much strain was involved with breathing.
Also told me whipworm is pretty rare here, more down south. I live in the Mpls.MN area. He has rarely seen a dog with it.
Trying to get her previous vet records, so if the owners were telling the truth, and she has had them, we don't have to double dose her. Also, I know Rabies is required by law, are there any others that are? I'm thinking distemper is as well. I do plan on having them spaced by about a week, depending on reactions to them.
I want to ask for honest opinions, has anyone had the surgery done, and does it make a difference? I know her breathing won't ever be perfect, but did it make a difference for your dog in the quality of their life? Did they have more energy and be able to play more? She is REALLY mellow for a pug. She is as mellow as my severely obese 11yr old pug. She is only 4, so she should have a bit more fiesty-ness to her. We can afford the surgery for her, normally it would be out of the question, but its tax rebate time for us, and I know if we don't do it now, it'll be another year she has to suffer breathing like this. She has just amazed me with how great of a lil pug she is. I want whats best for her.
Thank you in advance!
I had a dog that I had it done to YEARS ago! It was about 30 years ago......I did it at the time of the spay...and at that time, they kept them for 3 days. She had an elongated palate that was shortened at that time. She came home 3 days later, still uncomfortable (no pain meds then either)
Before I did this, I'd make sure that he's done a number of these surgeries before! If they take off too much...you're in trouble! If they don't take off enough......it wasn't worth it!
By the way....when it's 85 out or lower with high humidity....my guys go out to potty and that's it!
I've never had to have an elongated soft palate surgery done to either of the Pugs I've had, but I guess I would do it if my vet thought it necessary. I notice now that when Rugby barks a lot, her tongue starts turning purple, but she is 9 yrs old now. Our previous Pug, Tawny, had more problems with that--whenever she would start panting a lot, like at the vet's, her tongue would turn purple, & the vet said to really watch that. I'd listen to your vet about letting her out in the extreme heat or cold, also--their breathing can go bad very quickly! I'd also get whatever shots for your puppy that your vet recommends--I know that some people don't agree with vaccinating, but I think young puppies really need to be protected against things like Parvo & Distemper. You need to watch them carefully, of course, after any shots.
I used to belong to another Pug forum, & on there was a sticky, I believe, about someone's Pug who slipped out the door & the owner was unaware that the dog was left outside in the heat. The poor little Pug succumbed to the heat, & it was a very sad story...
Rugby DOB: 7/10/02
Molly DOB: 7/6/04
I agree, find out how much experience this vet has with soft palate surgery. Your best bet is a board certified soft tissue specialist, but if he's had lot of experience doing this, then it might be okay.
Christa, Mom to Toby & Kelsey
missing Riley and Roxy, who are at the bridge
and my precious Bella 11-2-07 - 05-6-12
I called the vet, and spoke to the receptionist, she said they don't use a laser, and they don't do many of them. I contacted the MN Pug Rescue in hopes that they know of any vets in my area who are well versed with this surgery. The price of $425 seemed too good to be true, hence the hunting around :)
With the heat, as far as my old pug goes, I am out with him the whole time. As soon as he's breathing hard, he's in for a few hours :) With Ellie, I think she will be the in and out quickly in the heat, just because her breathing is bad to start with. I guess it might just depend on the pug. He just doesn't seem bothered by it, I could be wrong. I watch his tail a lot too, when its drooping, I know its time to head inside...its his energy and temp gauge lol I hope no one takes what I say about my old pug as the rule. I wouldn't let a pug stay out in extreme heat. We had a day last summer....84* dew point, and the air temp was at 118*...I had to drag him back in the house because he was busy barking at someone. I went to get the mail that day and could hardly breathe. He wanted to stay out, and I KNEW if he did, he would keel over. On the humid days, I do keep him inside, other than potty breaks. Maybe he just an odd pug? IDK, but I do know with Ellie, she will be a quick in and out on the hot days :) The cold doesn't bother him either, but with Ellie, when its less than 30*, she is shivering in about 3mins. She is getting a sweater!!! LOL I never had a dog who actually needed a sweater before!
Thanks all for advice, and I am going to keep getting different opinions, also get an x-ray done to see if it could be a lung infection.
ESP surgery can be pretty tricky. I would find a specialist that is board certified with soft tissue experience that uses the CO2 laser. It can be pretty expensive too. I had my Suli done about 2 years ago. She is much better because of it... but also because she has had it for so long (our regular vet never really said much about it), she did damage to her trachea too. She had to stay overnight which I didn't mind, I stayed at a local hotel. Her surgeon is 3 1/2 hours away.
You can tell by the way the breathing is... but you can't tell the extent of it until the Pug is scoped and they have to be under, so if you are getting her spayed, it's the perfect to for the scope to be done.
Below are the posts from when Suli had her ESP done... and other things too. Her total bill was about $2700. The CO2 laser is easier for the surgery, but more important, it's easier on the Pug, quicker healing time and less pain.
Read up and educate yourself, ask lots of questions. I started making a list so I would not forget anything.
Elongated Soft Palate
Suli's impending Soft Palate Surgery
You can PM me if you have questions and I'll try to help.
Thank you! I have been talking a lot with the MN pug rescue, and checked out a vet they recommended. He is soft tissue board certified. Which makes me feel at ease. I only think she would benefit from it because she breathes so much more heavier than my obese 11yr old pug. She has almost no energy, and a 4 yr old pug, while lazy, should at least have some energy, right? I will check in to the links you posted, its still gonna be awhile before we do this, if it is what we choose. Her breathing is just so labored, she and Pug are both asleep next to each other, and he looks like he's dead, not a sound and hardly any chest movement. I can hear her 10'+ feet away, and her breathing is just so strained looking. Reminds me of when my then 18month old son had pneumonia. :(
Proud mama to puggies Winston and Ozzie, Slatan the Cat and Zino the horse.
I do not find it harsh, which is why I am trying my best to figure out the way to get this all done. I know its gotta be hell (pardon the language) for her to breathe. I am gonna set up an appt. at the vet the rescue uses, and try to get a proper diagnosis on why her breathing is so difficult, and then go from there. I will update as we go along. Hopefully she can be seen soon, I want her breathing better before the summer heat kicks in.
Thanks for taking my comment the right way. I really appreciate that you're making an effort to improve her quality of life. I'm sure she will be a completely different dog (in a good way) if she has successful surgery. Imagine her joy at being able to run or play a little or just to lie around breathing effortlessly. Keeping my fingers crossed that that day comes.
On a side note, it is mind boggling that her previous owners thought it acceptable to breed her :( Not only must it have been a horrible ordeal for her with the puppies pressing on her lungs and going through labour, but it's also completely irresponsible to risk the pups inheriting her disability. Some people just make me so angry.
Anyway, sorry about the rant. I really look forward to hearing about your progress.
Proud mama to puggies Winston and Ozzie, Slatan the Cat and Zino the horse.