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    Question Hermaphrodite Pug

    My wife and I have been waiting for our pug for a couple months, and Sunday is to be the day to bring her home!

    Our breeder called us today and advised us that the vet just discovered that our puppy is a hermaphrodite - she has boy parts inside her girl parts.

    I'm wondering if anybody has any experience with this condition and how it relates to pugs. The little bit of information I've been able to find online suggests that it is more common with pugs than it is with other breeds. Information I've obtained also suggests that there are no long term health risks of the condition... but I haven't been able to find much.

    I'm wondering especially the following things...

    1) Are there any other health/behavioral complications that can be caused by this?
    2) Should she still be spayed/neutered? If so, do you anticipate a much higher cost?
    3) Anything else I should watch out for?

    The breeder has offered to drop her price from $800 down to $400 if we still would like the puppy. We don't plan to breed her, so there is no issue there. What do you all think? I'd appreciate any input!

    Thanks in advance!

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    Welcome to the forum!! I personally have not had any experience with an hermaphrodite pug, but I think there are a couple of people here who have, and hopefully they will see your post. I understand that there are no major health problems, but spaying may incur extra costs. Do very good research into the vets you use - make sure they are surgical specialists and have a lot of experience with bracephalic (short-faced) dogs, as they have quite specific needs during anesthesia.

    It does sound as though you have purchased your girl from an ethical breeder as she has passed on the information to you and halved the price. Kudos to her/him. Good luck with your new puppy and we'd love to see pics!
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    Hi. Congrats on your puppy! I only know of a Shih who went in to rescue who was a hermaphrodite. I don't believe that there were any behavioural issues (in fact I understand that the dog was a total love sponge) but I do think that it made the spay a little more complicated, although not insurmountable or exceedingly expensive.
    As long as the dog is not being used for breeding and has a mechanism at which to void its bladder, etc., it is fine.
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    If there are testes the vet will have to look for them and they must be removed, since cryptorchid testes (the technical term) have a huge potential for cancer. It's not a big deal, but just makes the spay a little more involved. It should absolutely NOT deter you from taking this puppy!
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    PugSavers has had 2 pugs in that were true hermaphrodites. They should DEFINITELY be spayed/neutered and it can be a much more complicated procedure! If she appears to be a female outside, she then has what they call an ospenis or an osclitoris. The difference is if she urinates from it, it is an ospenis. Doing this surgery can be very delicate and if it is not done properly, can lead to incontinence.

    She may have testes inside her in addition to a uterus and maybe even ovaries. These may become cancerous if not removed.

    Our first one, that I named "Pat", we took to UC Davis Vet school for her surgery. They gave us a break on it financially because they made a video of the surgery that they are now using to teach other students. The 2nd one we had another surgical group do and I think it was about $800.00 for the surgery, but those are CA prices.

    I think the breeder should GIVE you this pug if you are going to have the surgery done! I would call around for some cost estimates and then take those back to the breeder and see what she says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PugSavers
    PugSavers has had 2 pugs in that were true hermaphrodites. They should DEFINITELY be spayed/neutered and it can be a much more complicated procedure! If she appears to be a female outside, she then has what they call an ospenis or an osclitoris. The difference is if she urinates from it, it is an ospenis. Doing this surgery can be very delicate and if it is not done properly, can lead to incontinence.

    She may have testes inside her in addition to a uterus and maybe even ovaries. These may become cancerous if not removed.

    Our first one, that I named "Pat", we took to UC Davis Vet school for her surgery. They gave us a break on it financially because they made a video of the surgery that they are now using to teach other students. The 2nd one we had another surgical group do and I think it was about $800.00 for the surgery, but those are CA prices.

    I think the breeder should GIVE you this pug if you are going to have the surgery done! I would call around for some cost estimates and then take those back to the breeder and see what she says.
    Thanks for the response. Here's a little background on what was discovered.

    The breeder took the puppy to the vet for initial shots and a check-up. The breeder had noticed that her opening seemed to be a little bit higher than normal... but not quite high enough to indicate her being male. The vet examined inside, and indicated that she found what resembled testi's inside. The puppy goes potty properly.

    The vet the breeder uses indicated that she would do the spay surgery for $200-$250. (She said she would basically charge the cost of a spay plus the cost a neuter). That vet is about 5 hours from my home though. I'm going to be hearing from a vet closer to home on Thursday.

    Thanks for all the thoughtful replies. I'd appreciate any more input you could give!

    Thanks again,

    Jared

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    Also...

    The breeder did also tell me that if anything would happen that would cause us to lose the puppy, that was linked to a direct result of this condition, she would replace her with another puppy.

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    you have found a great breeder !!!! keep her mind when the bug hits you again for another one!!!!

    p.s. make sure you have her offer in writing just to cover your bases
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    As a breeder myself but in the UK I have only known of one , but you must really think about this puppy I know you have been waiting but can you cope with all the problems that might go along with this let alone the worry and stress of surgury ect ,I certainly would be giving you this puppy at no charge if you decided to go ahead a take it and also be as much support as i could be through the whole thing,but to be honest if it was one that i had bred I would have whatever the puppy needed done myself then if you wanted it I would give you it then ,but that is only what i would do myself,hope whatever your decision is you make it ends happy for you all
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    Jared,

    There was an ad on one of the online pet sales sites recently trying to sell a RARE-He/She Pug Puppy for $4,000 (I believe). I Emailed the site (and I imagine others did likewise) explaining that this was a totally fraudulent claim and any unsuspecting buyer would be furious to discover the truth after purchasing the puppy. The last time I looked the price had been reduced but I have no idea what eventually happened.

    It does indeed sound like the breeder you're working with is trying to be upfront and do the right thing. Personally, I wouldn't be wary of this little puppy's personality being effected by this condition and I feel like an experienced veterinary surgeon will have seen the abnormality enough to know how to correct it. The cost could be higher for the surgery but I wouldn't think it would be exorbitant.

    I would assume that the surgery will be done when the puppy is around six months old and you do definitely need a veterinarian who is familiar with the special anesthesia problems of pugs.

    I've read that excessive use of steroids, abnormal levels of certain vitamins, worm medications, exposure to insecticides or flea sprays, vaccinations, any drugs and particularly drugs that involve hormonal changes during gestation can cause canine intersexuality and also cleft palates in puppies...OR...there may be hereditary factors.

    There is or was a study going on at the University of Pennsylvania concerning canine intersexuality and through their research one common link to a hereditary/genetic transmission was ONE pug, a male brought into the U.S. Although there was no conclusive proof, it was stated that this one pug was a common link in the pedigrees of every pug studied.

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