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    We just got our pup yesterday(he is 8 weeks old). The breeder took him to the vet on Monday to have everything check out. However, last night we noticed a bump on his chest, and based on pictures I have seen online, it appears to be pigeon chest. We took him to our vet today, and I let the vet know about it before he even examined him.

    The vet made it seem like it was no big deal, but said we should watch it b/c it could effect his breathing down the line, and he hopes that he will just grow "out of it". I have read about some vets not even knowing what pigeon chest is, and owners have had to take their dogs to 2 or 3 different vets before it is diagnosed properly. He seemed like he was familiar, but you never know if he was just acting like he was.

    We told our breeder about it, and she seemed very concerned about the puppy, and offered to refund us if it became an issue. She has called us 3 times today to learn more about his condition, so she seems genuinely surprise, and upset with her vet.

    My question is, how many people on the boards have had puppies or adult pugs with this condition? Also, did they grow out of it? If not, did they have to go through surgery to have it corrected, or was it just an irregularity.

    Thanks, and wish our little guy the best.

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    So sorry that this is going on for you. I believe Sarina, who's ill at the moment, had a puppy with this, but the puppy is doing well.

    I would also add that 8 weeks is too young to go to a new home. 10 weeks at the YOUNGEST is far better. That way the puppy has a chance to learn bite inhibition from its siblings and is more neurologically (i.e. in terms of bladder control) mature.

    Hope he's OK.
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    I'm so sorry you have a new puppy and already you've found problems!!

    As Viralmd mentioned, Sarina's puppy (it's actually an adult now) is doing extremely well. I have no experience with the condition. I would ask the breeder if instead of a refund they would put the purchase price towards any vet costs. I hope your little guy is okay/
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    I;ve never heard this term before but just googled it and "pigeon breast" and it describes my Farnsworth, I think. I've often wondered why his chest protrudes more than the others'. Doesn't seem to affect him adversely.
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    [quote=viralmd;995217] I believe Sarina, who's ill at the moment, had a puppy with this, but the puppy is doing well.

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    Actually Sarina's Scarlet has scoliosis higher up in her spine towards her shoulder and neck. She is doing well with this on metacam each day.
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    I believe that my Leo has this condition. He has never been formally diagnosed with it, but from all descriptions, it is him. He is 7 years old. We got him from rescue when he was 4. He does have some breathing issues. He had surgery for an elongated soft palette and stenotic nares before we got him. He has less tolerance for heat and exercise than my other pugs, but he does quite well. He just needs to take it easier than the others. On a regular basis, when it's not really hot or he hasn't majorly exerted himself, his breathing is just fine.

    Good luck with your new puppy!

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    I have no experience and no advice but I hope that it does not cause any problems for your pup.

    As for bringing him home at 8 weeks, I believe that is more unusual in the US but it is the norm over here. In my opinion there are pros and cons (as with everything in life). We got Snifter at 9 1/2 weeks but only because we had a holiday booked and could not get him earlier. He was the last from his litter to leave the breeder.


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    Thank you to everyone for your replies. It sounds like we are worrying more than we should at this point, but you never know. The breeder said she doesn't want to have the puppy go through surgery b/c she doesn't want him to suffer, and would prefer to put him down if this didn't correct itself.

    I told her we are going to keep him, because there seems to be more evidence that this doesn't cause any major problems or suffering in the puppy, than any evidence to suggest that he should be put down.

    Surgery can't be THAT bad, I wouldn't think.

    We are going to call our vet again tomorrow and ask him how serious it really is. If anyone else has any advice or experience with this, please drop a line, we appreciate it!

    Thanks again,
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    I have had this in one of my litters and I also have the opposite of this in that same litter (which is called Swimmers Pup and it is when they are flat chested). Audrey was my swimmer pup and she had several upper res. problems before she was 8 weeks old. I noticed something wrong at 10 days old and carried her around in a shoe box for 3 weeks and her front legs taped together, it fixed the problem and she went on to be a beautiful show dog. Now her sister Scarlett had the funny chest bump thing going on (or perhaps what you are calling pigeon chest), but we noticed at 4 weeks old that her legs were not right, and several weeks later and 2 ortho specialists and we found out that she had a sever spinal defect and her rib cage was compensating for the spinal cord. Both girls have grown to be beautiful mature healthy adults. Audrey lives in Texas and has never had a problem once she hit 10 weeks old (her breathing is raspy but that is ok for the breed). Scarlett was not expected to live past 6 months and she is pushing 3. We do have her on a daily dose of metacam to help the pressure in her disks and to help any pain she may have day by day. Her condition is a fluke and it can just happen. She will be with me and as her breeder my responsibility until her body determines otherwise.

    As for your puppy, I would actually ask the vet for an x-ray if not already done. It is important that the x-ray is looked at by and orthopedic specialist and a conclusion can be made. It may save you a great deal of heartache in the long run. Sometimes structure issues can actually be caused by something other than the obvious, like my Scarlett. It may be really nothing, but I know I am always over cautions because if there are problems I want to catch them early and they are also NOT leaving my house.

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    If it were me, I would ask the breeder to pay for an exam and x-rays by an orthopedic surgeon. I'd want to know for sure what was causing the bump. Hopefully it will turn out to be nothing serious and your puppy will be fine. I've never heard of pigeon breast before and when I attempted to find out more about it online, I didn't find much detailed information.

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