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    Our pug Beckham was diagnosed with Diabetes in Jan. We have been getting the vet recommended food dry/wet. Recently he has stopped eating the wet. So now we are trying to make stews for him. First one ( i tried this before we stopped with the wet, was a ground beef with some carrots and sweet potato ( not alot )and sweet potato and chicken broth. Most recently I made chicken breasts with sweet potato a little bit of cinnamon and chicken broth ) that gave him the "chicken farts" to the point where my DW was getting nauseous and doens't want him to e.. So i tried beef with sweet potato and a bit of cinnamon and chicken broth .... and he got the same result ... I know pugs are usually gassy, however I am looking for suggestions that won't break the bank that I can try... Also I used corn starch.... is that ok?

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    Hello and welcome to PugVillage!

    What country are you located in? That will make a bit of a difference in any recommendations people might make for foods or ingredients.

    We home-prepare a cooked diet for my boy Wonka, who has Kidney Disease. I can tell you what his meal consists of, but the problem with doing that is that it may not be appropriate for your dog. I don't know much about diabetes in dogs, but I believe you want a higher fiber diet. You might need to do some research to figure out what is recommended for diabetes diet.

    That being said, the important part about making food for your dog is to get the right mix of ingredients so they are getting a balanced diet over time (not overly fatty, not too much of one vitamin at the exclusion of others, etc.) and to add calcium as needed so that the calcium and phosphorus are at the appropriate balance. This sounds daunting and it can be confusing at first, so I recommend reading a lot or having someone who knows what they are doing to guide you through it until you understand. For Wonka we have two different meals that we make for him and we make enough for 10 days at a time then freeze it, pull out a day or two at a time to thaw. Depending on the recipe, he gets things like green beans, broccoli, ground beef or ground chicken, eggs, sardines, spaghetti noodles, cottage cheese, cream of wheat cereal, rice, etc.

    I would consider a little gas to be normal for any animal (humans included!), but "clear the room" gas is not normal! If it was just for a few days then I might attribute it to the sudden food change - his tummy just needs time to adjust to something different. How does his poo look? Is that normal still or is it too soft, too hard, oily, etc.? If the super-foul gas has been happening for longer than a week there is something else going on, not just a sudden food change. Either his diet has something in it that he is having trouble digesting or possibly it's too fatty or maybe he is just eating too fast and swallowing a lot of air. Based on what you said you are feeding him, I wonder if it's the fatty issue? Are you draining the fat off beef after you cook it? There is a lot of debate about carbs in dog food, but he might need some cooked oatmeal, rice, noodles or similar food mixed in there. Carrots and sweet potato are both healthy choices, but both have a lot of naturally occurring sugars, so you might try some over-cooked broccoli, plain white potato or steamed green beans instead. You can even use leafy vegetables like spinach, collard greens, turnip greens, etc. IF those are suitable for diabetes in dogs. I don't know that part - so you'd have to research it.

    Good luck and let us know if you have more questions. I hope you can find a diet that works well for Beckham.
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    DefaultHomemade food and exess gas ;)

    I am located in Ontario Canada.


    The beef stew was only once.. and I just added everything into the pot not draining ( however he didn't have the gas issue then) it is only with the chicken and sweet potato. The chicken was boiled so any fat was removed before mixing with sweet potato... And the beef was not very fatty for the second time around. both of these he had been eating less than 3 days much less a week.. So we haven't given it a full week yet to see how he is handling it. He was actually with her last night at my in laws so I am not sure about the gas in the last 24 hours.. there was only 1 small side that had fat on the steak I made with the Sweet Potato .. My DW is extremely sensitive to odors so yes it was strong but not clear the room .. at least not for me. Its because of her sensitivity that I am looking for advise and suggestions. I will do more research and find out the measurements. I am really bad at eyeballing ingredients and I need to break that habit for Beckham. As for his bowel movements, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. A little orange, however for fiber we put pumpkin in with his meals sometimes, not too much as you don't want to stop him up...


    Thank you ever so much for your suggestions. I will absolutely do some more reading... and try other things. :)

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    Hello. My 2 Pugs are on dry food. Grain free. No gluten, no cereals my female Pug is on a Salmon and Sweet Potato and my male Pug us on a white fish and potato. Fish has really good anti oxidants in them with the necessary omega 3 acids. Ask your vet though about potato’s since your Pug has diabetes. Try and mix vegetables in with the dry food. Peas, carrots, string beans. Unbreaded fish baked like Cod and Haddock. Also Pork or. Cooked ground beef with the fat drained off. Use carrots and fruits like strawberries. Blueberries watermelon. As snacks. Again watch the OTC snack foods. Also I do not feed my Pugs any fowl protein, like chicken, duck or turkey. I use to but they could have been allergic. There is a blood test your vet can do to see if your a Pug is allergic to bird type proteins. Watch the amount you feed them because keeping the weight down will help keep the diabetes in control as for the gas it might be the chicken broth and eating to fast. Try putting a softball in their bowel or buy a slow feeding bowel this helps dogs to eat slower and get less air into their stomach. I suggest also using a stainless steel food and water dish. BOL

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    Hi, I feed mine a home cooked diet because Lolli our female had recurrent UTI and crystal problems. I did quite a bit of reading and research and talked to a PVer who has had a lot of knowledge of dealing with UTI’s and such. Through some of my research I read up on carbs, low fat and low glycemic diets, you might want to look up some info about low glycemic vegetables and how carbs can affect sugar levels. One of the print outs I did has a sample diet for a low glycemic diet, it might help give you an idea of what your pup might benefit from eating, I am NOT saying this is the recipe for your dog as I’m not an expert just wanted to give you an idea of possible food options

    2 cups white chicken meat (can be ground as long as no skin or excess fat added)
    4oz chicken liver
    2 egg whites (scrambled or soft boiled)
    4oz steamed or boiled spinach or cooked zucchini
    4oz cooked cabbage
    1/4 cup nonfat milk plain yogurt

    If you do a home cooked diet there will be supplements that you might need to add as well.

    As for the gas I give mine a pre-probiotic every meal and it seems to mostly help but our boy has always been a little grassier than our girl No matter what he eats. Hope you can find a good solution for your pup.
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    Hello:

    I am new to the world of diabetes and must say...I find it daunting, to say the least. Mostly with my pug's diet. The insulin injections are fine, it's the feeding I'm struggling with the most.

    As I delve into this more & more, I find there is no definitive word about a dog's diet with diabetes. In my case, my pug, she is 13 yrs old, has just been diagnosed with diabetes and pancreatitis, which makes things even more complicated. Because of pancreatitis, her glucose levels are all over the place, right now. She has a FreeStyle Libre glucose reader & it's been difficult to get her regulated, due to this pancreatitis. She gets 2 insulin shots/day, which have been fine.

    So, this pancreatitis has just been an added hurdle and that's what we are dealing with at the moment. She seems to be fine, but I constantly have to take readings of her glucose, of course, until she is stabilized. This is a big reason I would like to get her on a good diet, to get her on a faster track to clearing up her pancreatitis so that we can get her glucose levels regulated.

    So, I am here to ask a few questions and hopefully get some insight and direction from some of you.

    Ok, my vet has put me on Hills Digestive Care Low Fat ID dry dog food and wet food. My dog will eat it, but, I have to put the chicken ( my own boiled chicken pcs.) on top of her food, in order for her to eat it. I generally give her 1/2 cup of dry with 1/2 can of wet food, then put the chicken on top of that. She will eat that, but she is losing wt. which is common in these cases, so I got to looking into alternative foods/diets. Also, these prescription foods are processed they are not the best foods I can be feeding her.

    She just had a check-up, scans, bloodwork etc., she has been on antibiotics for her pancreatitis for approx 3 weeks now. I understand the pancreatitis is a tough one and takes some time to repair. But, I began today, to look online for good natural cooking recipes so that I might start making her food, in order to...

    1) Help her gain weight
    2) Overall better health/diet in light of diabetes/pancreatitis
    3) Aiding in pancreatitis recovery

    In searching for the right recipes and videos from vets and pet owners alike, I found a lot of this overwhelming, from the standpoint of... the ratios of certain food/ingredients, what foods breakdown when cooked into sugar& how much sugar, figuring out sodium levels, what foods are not good for diabetic dogs. Lot's of questions about what recipes are good for diabetic dogs with pancreatitis. Ugh!

    There are just too many factors at play and I would appreciate any help to try to at least figure out some natural alternatives that I can be cooking for my dog.

    Also, can I feed my dog things like Turmeric, which is a great anti-inflammatory I don't know ~ There are so many great natural things I'd like to try but just don't know.

    I feel like I have spent so much $$ between ER VETS, scans, VET check-ups, medications, this mediocre dog food, which isn't that great, it's processed and EXPENSIVE!

    I might as well just spend the $$ on making her wholesome good food.

    Also, I checked out a couple sites that are Canine Nutritionists, but they want too much money will charge you to look at you pets medical record and correspond with your vet on a formulation to put a recipe together based on your pet's medical needs. Too expensive and they were not pleasant.

    There are other things I need to know about, like probiotics and the like. Although I don't want to overwhelm myself, I'd be happy just to get a good healthy diet in place first for my dog, then move on to other things.

    Just some insight and help on the way to proceed.

    Much Thanks
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    Sorry I know very little about diabetes in dogs other than what I came across and posted earlier. There is a book that I initially started my research with and while she does promote more of raw feeding, she has some home cooked recipes and a couple chapters in there relating to diabetes in dogs. She also has a FB page that she moderates, K9Nutrition

    https://www.amazon.com/Raw-Natural-N...s%2C201&sr=8-3

    In my research I waded through lots of articles and spent a lot of time in the library looking at various books, ultimately I did get help for Lolli’s issues though from someone on here, but I think the above book might help you as well to maybe at least try and figure out how best to proceed or at least maybe understand a little more about the disease so when you are talking to your vet you are prepared with questions. I’m not affiliated in any way with the book, i just found the book helpful in understanding some of the diseases and other issues with dogs. Good luck I know how frustrating it can be to try and find the answers for our precious pups.
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    Wow . Totally understand. I tried cooking food for my boys each with their own unique health challenges . Impossible to figure this out . I feel sometimes guilty feeding overpriced prescription food . But it works for us and I won’t risk cooking food and especially with Gordon who got his bladder crystals and the rare allergy to end up in the ER .
    The way I would approach cooking food again is with a specialist on my side guiding me through the steps. Unfortunately most vets are specialists in certain areas without nutrition back ground .
    Perhaps you can search for a holistic veterinarian.
    https://www.ahvma.org/find-a-holistic-veterinarian/

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    Thanks so much for the holistic link, I will check it out. Yeah, I don't mind spending the $$ for good prescription dog food, but like I said in my original post, the prescription food is processed food. It's mediocre at best, and Bean doesn't care for it & isn't gaining weight.

    She's on the Hill's digestive ID low fat, So, I'm looking for alternatives. These nutritionists that specialize in this, the one I spoke to, was not a nice person, almost too bothered to answer questions, etc. It was disheartening.

    I don't mind making food either, in fact, I think it makes sense, however, like you said, it's very tough to figure out these ratios etc. It's why I was hoping to chat with someone who might be able to help me.

    It's tough, especially when you are waiting for one problem to clear up before you can begin to see the benefits of other methods you want to try, ugh !

    But, thank you for your input and I will check out the holistic stuff. Bean thanks you too
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    I don't know enough about diabetes in dogs to give advice on that, but I can comment on a few of the things you've asked and maybe that will help just a little.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    Also, can I feed my dog things like Turmeric, which is a great anti-inflammatory I don't know ~ There are so many great natural things I'd like to try but just don't know.
    Many pugs here on PugVillage take Turmeric with good results. My Wonka is a senior with arthritis, kidney disease and a cough. He takes a variety of supplements and medications and we home-cook his meals. Here is a list of the supplements he takes. I'm not suggesting these are all good choices for Bean (especially not the oils, given her pancreatitis!), but I thought you might find it helpful to see what another older pug takes:

    Supplements:
    1. Glucosamine + Chondroitin = for arthritis and his squeaky joints

    2. Turmeric supplement (Any reliable brand is fine, Wonka gets Thorne CurcuVet-SA50 = for arthritis and reducing inflammation)

    3. Krill Oil (for Omega 3's, Wonka gets NWC Naturals Tri-Krill in a pump= antioxidants for immune system, kidney function, arthritis and inflammation)

    4. Ubiquinol (a form of CoQ10 - Wonka takes Now brand. This is to help with his Kidney Disease, but it's also helpful for the heart, etc.)

    5. CBD Oil - this is the non-psychoactive part of marijuana, it does not get him high! We use it to help treat pain (for its anti-inflammatory benefits) and relax him (anti-anxiety), Wonka gets a few drops with his dinner in the evening. I don't know if it's legal in all states, but if you are interested in trying it and are able to legally obtain it, look for a reliable brand that shows appropriate doses for dogs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    I feel like I have spent so much $$ between ER VETS, scans, VET check-ups, medications, this mediocre dog food, which isn't that great, it's processed and EXPENSIVE!
    I might as well just spend the $$ on making her wholesome good food.
    I totally understand and agree! The prescription foods may be good for short-term needs, but I don't feel like they are healthy or appropriate for long-term use. We prefer to feed our pugs whole foods or minimally processed foods when possible. We home-cook for Wonka, a very specific recipe for his kidney disease. Beanie, our black pug girl without health issues, gets Honest Kitchen dehydrated food and then we give her fresh foods as well. I could tell you what we feed to Wonka, but it may not be appropriate for a diabetic dog or a dog with pancreas issues. In general, depending on which of two recipes we're making, he gets things like green beans, broccoli, ground beef or ground chicken, eggs, sardines, spaghetti noodles, cottage cheese, cream of wheat cereal, rice, etc. There is a lot of debate about carbs in dog food, but we found that Wonka needed those to maintain his weight and for his kidneys. From what I know about diabetes in HUMANS (my hubby is Type 2), I'm guessing you are probably going to need to limit the carbs in Bean's food and increase the fiber.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    Also, I checked out a couple sites that are Canine Nutritionists, but they want too much money will charge you to look at you pets medical record and correspond with your vet on a formulation to put a recipe together based on your pet's medical needs. Too expensive and they were not pleasant.
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    She's on the Hill's digestive ID low fat, So, I'm looking for alternatives. These nutritionists that specialize in this, the one I spoke to, was not a nice person, almost too bothered to answer questions, etc. It was disheartening.
    My experience with canine nutritionists has not been favorable either. Most of them seem to just want to push you toward a couple of standard diets and then use "BalanceIt" (a vitamin supplement) to make up for any missing nutrients. They don't seem to want to help make a truly custom recipe to suit each dog.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    I don't mind making food either, in fact, I think it makes sense, however, like you said, it's very tough to figure out these ratios etc.
    I had to do a ton of research and learning before I could figure out how to make a recipe for Wonka. It was stressful and felt overwhelming, I worried that I might make him more sick with choosing the wrong foods... but in the end, I'm glad I researched and learned because now I have a better understanding of why certain foods are good for him and others are not as good for him. Early on, it was recommended to me by a kidney dog forum to use https://nutritiondata.self.com to input all the ingredients and get the calories and protein/fat/carbs ratios correct. The actual percentages for nutrients aren't correct for dogs since this site is designed for human diets, but the calories are accurate and the ratio part is correct. Wonka gets his day worth of food spread out over three meals. Here are the recipes that I home-cook for Wonka (Not diabetic!). Ignore the video at the top of the page, I'm not really sure how to get rid of that and it has nothing to do with Wonka's recipes. What is NOT shown on the recipe is that, as we prepare the food, these recipes are balanced with calcium citrate powder mixed in to the meal. Also, it says egg whites, raw, but we actually scramble those in the coconut oil, I just couldn't find a listing for scrambled in the database. And remember, this is 8 days worth of food:
    https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/recipe/4204701/2
    and
    https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/recipe/4096745/2
    Again, these are NOT for a diabetic pug, but it will give you an idea of what an older 20 pound pug eats.

    As I said earlier in this thread, the important part about making food for your dog is to get the right mix of ingredients so they are getting a balanced diet over time (not overly fatty, not too much of one vitamin at the exclusion of others, etc.) and to add calcium as needed so that the calcium and phosphorus are at the appropriate balance. This sounds daunting and it can be confusing at first, so I recommend reading a lot or having someone who knows what they are doing to guide you through it until you understand.
    In a quick google search I found this: https://myuntangledlife.com/homemade...diabetic-dogs/
    It might offer you a good starting point for custom-creating a diet for Bean.

    Sending best wishes for Bean and I hope you can find some books or websites to help guide you. I think if you can get the pancreatitis under control that will help a lot, then you can tackle the diabetes.
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