Hi im new to the forum. This is kinda a long story so please bare with me. I rescued a female pug back in march from a neighbor that moved and pretty much abandoned her. They had a male pug also but they took him. Laya is a smaller breed of pug I believe cause she is quite smaller then the male pug they had. When I first brought her into my home she wasnt eating very good, she would eat a little bit of dog food out of my hand but other then that she wasnt interested in it at all, she would eat whatever we had on our plate's but would not eat dog food , I tried different name brand's of hard and canned dog food and just couldnt get her to eat it. After having her for a couple of week's I noticed that her teat's started to sag but I figured it was cause she had lost weight when we first got her and didnt think much more about it. Well last night she was laying on the couch with her belly showing really good and I really got to looking at her teat's and realized that they were more fuller like they had milk in them so I squezzed one of the nipples and milk came out. So I now realize I have a pregnant pug and have no clue what to do. I have never had a pregnant dog before. Im worried that with her not eating dog food and only eating human food that she hasnt been getting enough nutrient's that babies should probably be getting. I feed her like canned chicken and ham and I even boil chicken breast and cover it with chicken broth but that doesnt seem like enough to me. I've done some research and found that at 3 week's is when the teat's start to get bigger and pink up (had no clue they did that and didnt notice them pinking up) so Im figuring that she is probably around 8 week's. She isnt very big and Ive been trying to feel babies moving around and havent felt them. Should I be feeling them move yet? Will I feel them? What should I do about her not eating dog food cause in the research I was doing it said that she should be eating puppy food but she doesnt eat any dog food? I just need some advice on what I should do. We havent taken her to the vet cause when we rescued her she had a vet tag on for her vaccines and they were up to date. I have 2 young children and my husband is the only income we have and he doesnt get paid till next friday so we couldnt get her to a vet till then. Sorry this is so long and I hope it make's sense and I REALLY HOPE that someone can give me some good advice and not judge me or tell me I should give her up sense I cant get her into a vet yet. Thank you for reading and thank's in advance for any advice.
04-29-2011, 04:37 AM
She needs to see the vet asap....
04-29-2011, 06:37 AM
Bless you for taking her in!!!!
She needs to be taken to a vet right away!! If she has milk...puppies might be due any time now...IF you're lucky....it's a false pregnancy..with no pups!!
If there are pups...She needs constant supervision as pug mom's need a lot of help with birthing! I recommend you go to the library and take out books on canine whelping...realizing that many pugs need c sections..especially if they are small!! I always c section my girls! I don't have time to write a lot...have to go to work...and am coming home to get my boy and leave for dog shows. Will try to be on this weekend...but don't count on me!!!
Call your vet...also call a kennel club near you to see if someone with a pug near you...or even another breed is willing to help you!
If she's not pregnant...wait a month or so and spay her.
If she is pregnant..wait a month to 2 months to spay her! Do not ignore this as she can get pyrometria from one of her heats and die!
If you cannot afford this, I would give her to a rescue to make sure that she's okay and that the pups are okay! MAYBE they'll work something out with you that they get all the pups to adopt out and you can have your girl back if you pay for her spay??
04-29-2011, 08:00 AM
You really do need to get to see a vet. Try to make some financial arrangement with them if you can't pay all up front.
Pug breeding is not for the faint hearted and I hope this is a false pregnancy.
A pregnancy lasts an average of 63 days, so depending when in March you got her puppies could be arriving quite soon if she is pregnant.
04-29-2011, 06:51 PM
:welcome:to the village and thanks for rescueing her. Sounds like you got more than you bargained for!!There are alot of really experienced pug owners on here and some have given you sage advice already.Can the rescue help you? Most vets will work with you. Good luck and please let us know how she's doing.
04-29-2011, 06:58 PM
Wally 'n' Leto
I am no help at all with pregnant pugs, but welcome that thank you for helping this poor wee girl out.
04-29-2011, 09:40 PM
First of all, Hi & :welcome: Bless your heart for taking this girl into your home! You've already gotten lots of good advice here, so I'll just add my positive thoughts & prayers that if your girl is pregnant, that all will be well. I agree to get her checked by a vet ASAP, as Pugs can have lots of trouble whelping, and some are not good mothers, so you would need to watch carefully for that. There are lots of nice, knowledgeable people on this board who can help you each step of the way....best of luck, & please keep us posted. Rugbysmom
04-29-2011, 10:30 PM
I'd echo what the other posters are saying here - she needs to get to a vet. And I understand not having the money to do it! Do you have other pets? And already have a vet? If so, you might talk to the vet about your financial situation - and that time is of the essence....maybe the seriousness of the situation will help and they'll see you and send a bill for next week? Contacting a rescue is a good idea too - although they are all strapped for cash too. Sounds like you are really trying to hard to do the right thing for your pug - what is her name? Good for you for taking her in. No one will judge you here - we all want what's in the best interest of both you and your pug (and especially her babies). I hope you find some local help. I know it would be difficult, but you may even considering giving her over to the rescue - pug and puppies (x however many she has) might equal more vet care expense than you bargained for (when you thought you were taking just one pug in). I have two rescues - and have a hard enough time paying for them...! Can't imagine having to vet 4, 5 or 6 puppies - all at the same time. Whatever your decision is - I hope for a good outcome for everyone and every pug involved.
04-30-2011, 02:22 AM
Thank's everyone for the warm welcome's and the advice. Laya is doing really good. I finally felt a baby move today. Im going to guess that she only has one in there. I dont have any other pet's and we are new to our area so we dont have a vet. My mother in law has mentioned that she want's one of the puppies/puppy so Im going to talk to her this weekend and see if she wont agree to help with the vet bill, if not im going to call around to the vet's and explain the situation and see if they could work out a payment arrangement. Laya seem's pretty content and comfortable. I will try to keep you updated. How do I post pic's?
Taking a break and checking in
If she has only one baby she will definitely need a section!
Seeing this all working out and you having a wonderful pet for any many years to come
04-30-2011, 10:54 PM
I'm really glad that Layla is doing well! You can't really guess how many puppies there might be tho--my 1st Pug came from a litter of 8! And if there is only 1, it might be even more reason to get her seen by a vet ASAP, as I've heard that singleton pups can be quite large. I'm sorry that you have landed in this situation, but thank you again for trying to do your best to help this little Pug. It makes me so mad when people do things like her previous owners have done, then leave it for somebody else to try to make right. I hope your mother-in-law will be able to help you out, or that you will be able to find a vet to help with this situation...good luck, and please let us know how it goes. Rugbysmom
05-02-2011, 05:20 PM
I'm so glad to her that Layla is doing well. I joined this convo a little later!! sorry oops!
But thank-you so much for doing the right thing and taking care of an abandoned baby like that.
I think that people like you, and all you foster-pug parents & adoption parents are all angels. I hope you all know that!! You're a bunch of angels and bringing these babies into your blessed home is just such a selfless, loving act.
Please keep us updated on Layla! I'd love to know how she is doing. Good luck!!
05-02-2011, 05:29 PM
Try boiled chicken and rice use the water from boiling the chicken to cook the rice cool it and make a mash just leave her with the bowl until she sees it is ok to eat I am praying that a vet will work with you on this since she is a rescue good luck prayers for a great outcome. Don't give in to people food no Pug will starve she will eat just leave it there they are stubborn but you can win!
05-02-2011, 10:35 PM
Any updates on Layla? I hope she is eating better now. Please keep us posted on how she is doing....Rugbysmom
05-04-2011, 12:47 PM
Laya started showing sign's of being close to labor yesterday. We are night owl's around here and sleep till around 12/1:00 in the afternoon so when I got up I noticed she was having a discharge.. I checked her temp about 4:00 (couldnt find thermometer till then lol) and it was 98.6 so I knew she had at least 12-24 hour's. I checked it again a few hour's later and it hadnt gone up or down so I knew that was a good sign. I went to bed about 6:00 this morning and she still wasnt showing any sign's of push labor so I went a head and went to sleep thinking that when she went into push labor I would hear and wake up. Well I didnt hear her but about 10:30 I felt that the bed was wet and check under the cover's and sure enough she had a puppy. He/she look's very healthy and is very vocal. Laya seemed to of done a good job getting it cleaned up and stuff. When I picked it up it was still pretty warm like it had just come out so Im gonna guess she had it about 10:15 or so. It is now 11:40 and she hasnt had anymore and the one has'nt latched on to mom yet. I tried getting it to latch on to mom but it would just lick the teat. Mom doesnt seem to interested in the pup, she's just laying down resting and just not paying attention to it. I knew that the puppy needed to stay warm so I went and filled up two sock's with rice and then microwaved them and then wrapped them in a towel and set the puppy between the two sock's so it could get warm and it stopped whimpering. I can't tell if Laya is done or not. So I have 2 question's. First: I've heard that how many ever teat's have milk in them is how many pup's a dog will have, Is this true? Second: How long should I try getting the pup to latch on till I need to bottle feed it?Ok so 3 question's. Third: How long can Laya go between pup's? I honestly dont think she is gonna have anymore and if she does I think it will only be one more. It has been flooded here and our road has been closed so we havent been able to get out to go to town much less a vet so she still hasnt seen a vet. I also seen that tum's is good for calcium. I dont have any but I also seen that vanilla icecream is good to. I dont have regular vanilla but I have french vanilla, will that be good to? I'd greatly appreciate some quick advice. Thank's in advance.
If you can't get to a vet, please phone one for proper advice. WHATEVER you do, don't feed ice cream!!!!!!! If you are bottle feeding a pup you can ONLY feed it proper veterinary milk substitute. Anything else (ANYTHING) can cause it to have severe diarrhea and it would probably die. You must watch the mother very closely. Watch to see if she is having contractions and nothing is happening - a puppy could be stuck. She should also pass the placenta. I would consider getting her to a vet as urgent. I hope everything is okay but please phone a vet and then get her there as soon as you can. Just continue to make sure the puppy is warm and is close to mum. Don't interfere too much with it, as long as it's warm and near a teat, it should start suckling soon. Just watch mum now and see if there are ANY signs of distress - puppy stuck or she's too tired to pass any more are the main worries. This is just something that can't be left in the hands of the inexperienced.
05-04-2011, 03:25 PM
I wasnt going to feed the puppy ice cream. I was doing some research and I seen that some breeders give their dog's a tum or vanilla ice cream to help with calcium to give them energy to have the other pup's. The puppy still has not latched on to mom. Mom seem's to be doing fine, she didnt eat at all yesterday but I got her to eat just a few minutes ago and she ate every bit of the food. Puppy is warm and is cuddled up to mom but she hasnt latched on to a teat yet. My husband is at work right now so when he get's home Im gonna call the vet and see if I need to go get some puppy replacement milk.
05-04-2011, 03:53 PM
And mylesypug I know im not experienced but if you have read the other post I have put on here then you should know that I didnt get this dog pregnant, my neighbor left this dog after they moved and never came back for her and I later figured out she was pregnant. I dont have a male dog and she stay's in a fenced in back yard so I know she didnt get pregnant since I have been taking care of her. I've dont quite a bit of research so I know NOT to give a newborn puppy ice cream!! I'm not that stupid!!
05-04-2011, 04:13 PM
I have had Pugs in my life for decades and I would call myself woefully unprepared and inexperienced when it comes to breeding. I read your posts and I know the situation. You were completely unclear as to whom you intended to give the ice cream and as you were discussing the puppy not suckling it was not a big leap to assume.... But forgive me. Ice cream is just unsuitable for dogs and especially in this situation. The lactose, cream and sugars can cause diarrhea at best and pancreatitis at worst. No amount of forum advice can be better than a visit with the vet. All advice was given to aid you with the situation but you still need to take both of them to a vet for a check-up at the very least. She should be passing on antibodies to the baby in the colustrum, which is the first milk the baby drinks, and as the baby does not yet appear to be suckling, this is a concern. No matter what I say or anyone else says, nothing can substitute a vet visit. I hope everything is okay for both of them. I know you are doing your best.
05-04-2011, 04:24 PM
Good job on getting you new babies this far. Sugar is bad for pugs. Good luck. Check this forum lots of really good people that love pugs more than anything else. Tons of information also.
05-04-2011, 08:02 PM
You need to call the vet!!!!!
Yes, calcium is good for the mom...ice cream is fine!
That puppy HAS to eat! Stick your baby finger in it's mouth with a little honey on it....a teeny teeny bit...so see if it can suck. If not...you have to tube feed her!!!!! I tube feed goats milk......but mom's milk is the best! If the pup can suck..then put a bit of sugar on the mom's teat! That pup is probably so week already that you might have to tube it for a day to get it going!!!!
You need a VET!
05-05-2011, 02:16 AM
All the people here are just trying to help you the bottom line is you need to get the mom and baby to a vet there health is what is most important
05-05-2011, 03:06 AM
I understand everyone is trying to help. I know Laya and her pup need to see the vet and thats why I went and got an appointment for 10:30 in the morning. I tried getting them in today but by the time my husband got off work they were fixing to close so I only had time to go get puppy milk replacer. Vet said that if puppy made it through the night and still hadnt latched on to mom then he would show me how to tube feed (it's a girl btw) her, but he said for tonight to bottle feed her every 2 hour's. I have tried several time's to get her to latch on to mom and see did latch on for a few minutes but that was it. As long as mom is with her then she doesnt whine or act like she is hungry. She isnt doing all that great with the bottle but I have managed to get some formula in her. Ive got alarms set on my phone to get me up to feed her. I'm praying she starts to do better on the bottle and make's it through the night. I read on some website's that some puppies are lazy and wont eat at all the first day, they will just sleep and then take up eating the next day. I hope this is true and it's the case with this little girl. I appreciate everyone's help and I will update as often as I can.
05-05-2011, 06:08 AM
Please, please get this pug to the Vet. I know so many Vets in our area that will help with payments. Maybe if you arent able to get her proper care she might be suffering. Call the nearest rescue and see if they will help. This animal MUST be seen and I dont understand why you havent been getting her the medical care. What if a pup is stuck would you know? Sorry if I sound harsh but its always the dog that has to wait!!
05-05-2011, 05:26 PM
I'm glad that you got Laya & her pup in to see the vet this morning! How did it go? Did she just have the one pup then? And how are momma & baby doing now? Are you going to have to tube feed the pup? I hope all is well, and I'll keep Laya & her little baby in my thoughts & prayers! Rugbysmom
05-05-2011, 05:35 PM
Wally 'n' Leto
Looking for updates.. hope the pup made it through the night and Laya's feeling OK.
05-05-2011, 05:39 PM
Also anxious for an update and very worried about your pug and her pup!,
05-05-2011, 07:22 PM
I hope the puppy is okay and they have gotten to the vet in time.
Shaynapug, I respectfully disagree with giving ice cream at times like this. There are too many ingredients that could cause further stress on an already highly stressed body. A tiny bit of ice cream given very ocassionally to a healthy dog does not cause problems. I think what you have in mind is canine eclampsia and it would not be seen this early in the birthing process. It is certainly a good idea to give the nursing bitch added calcium to stop this developing, which is usually 3 - 4 weeks after birth. It IS an emergency.
05-05-2011, 08:12 PM
Just checking in to see how Laya and her baby is doing. How did your vet appointment go? Please update us if possible. You may be feeling like you have gotten some harsh critisizm here, but please let me assure you that the people on this forum only want what is best for Laya and her baby or babies. As I am sure you do too. Everyone is just trying to help you help your pups. I will be looking forward to seeing some more pictures of that baby and Laya. Take care.
05-05-2011, 08:47 PM
Laya and baby are doing excellent, about the third time that I got up to feed baby she was latched on to mom YAY:happy dance:!!! I was very excited and happy. I took both mom and baby to see the vet this morning and they were both given a clean bill of health. Laya was a little stressed after we got back and ended up moving the baby out of her birthing box and into the closet, which is ok cause there isnt anything in the closet so I put a blanket down and they have both been very content there. A little bit more of good new's is the day before Laya had the baby I went to wal-mart to get some kind of dog food that I hadnt already tried on Laya and seen that they had the Pedigree Little Champion's packages on sale and decided to get them and of course when we got home she wouldnt eat but I figured it was cause she was in pre-labor. So yesterday after she had the baby I took a plate of it in to her and she ate every bit of it!!! I wanted to jump for joy:happy dance: cause she has never ate a whole plate of any kind of dog food since I have had her. So we have now found a dog food that she will eat:) I feel so blessed to have this little girl in my life and I love her so much and want nothing but the best for her and her new baby. I'm trying to come up with a very special name for the baby, any suggestion's are welcome (im bad at name's). I want her name to mean something as I think she is a very special baby. Thank's everyone:)
05-05-2011, 09:08 PM
Wally 'n' Leto
So so glad the story has a happy ending (or beginning!). Why don't you wait a few days to see what Baby's personality is, and what name she suggests for herself!
05-05-2011, 11:23 PM
Yeeeaahhhh, I am so happy to hear that everyone is doing well. Congratulations for taking in Laya when she was in need. Are you planning on keeping the baby or is it too soon to even think of that? I agree with Heather, as she grows in the next few days, weeks, you'll figure out a perfect name for her. So Lets see some more pictures please.
05-06-2011, 12:15 AM
Oh no I knew from the minute I realized that she was pregnant that I would keep at least 1 puppy out of the litter and since she only had one I knew I was meant to keep it. My mother in law was a little disappointed when she found out Laya only had one baby and that we were keeping it lol. I will update with picture's soon.
05-06-2011, 04:28 AM
Congrats to you & big time to Laya <3!!!
05-06-2011, 11:05 AM
I am so happy Laya and baby are doing good I think you are going to be a great pug mommy
05-06-2011, 07:47 PM
Last night Laya was acting funny. She came out of the room I have her and the baby in and she was panting and whinning and kinda shivering and just acting kinda nervous, she would hear the baby whinning and would go back in there but then would come right back out whinning and panting. I thought maybe she had milk fever. The town I live in is very small so I didnt think the vet here did emergencies so I called a vet in the next town over and was able to get her to call me back and she didnt seem think that it was milk fever, said to keep a close eye on her and if she started acting like she couldnt get up or was weak then to call her back and she would meet us at the office. I stayed up most of the night watching her and as long as I sat in the room with her and baby she did fine and didnt show any more sign's of milk fever. She has been fine most of the day today and has'nt came out of the room untill just a little while ago and she was doing the same thing she was doing last night but this time she was trying to get under my couch. Could she be trying to find a different spot to put the puppy? She's eating and drinking fine and doesnt act like she is hurting or nothing. She is in here right now and she is digging trying to get under the couch. Any suggestion's?
05-06-2011, 08:37 PM
Could it be that she is trying to make a place for her to bring the puppy in where you all are. I know that pugs have to be with their people so maybe you could try and bring the bed and puppy into the same room that you are in. Panting is usually a sign of stress and it could be that she needs to be close to you. I am sure someone on here that knows more about this will be along soon. I have never had a dog that had puppies, I am just guessing here.
05-06-2011, 09:20 PM
Wally 'n' Leto
I wish I could help, I've never had puppies either, but Gina's point sounds very plausible. Hope everything's OK.