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    Hi guys.
    Duke snores alot even when awake.
    If he is looking up at him he will snore.
    He snores alot on his sleep or if he wants some of my food he will snore at me.
    When eating his kible too fast sometimes he might choke.
    He coughs it up and he eats again.
    I am giving him the food dry.

    My vet told me when was two months old he might need his nose and throat done.
    He is 7months old now.
    Im just wondering if others have the same experiences.
    I will bring him to the vet again and get him checked.
    He has no problems when out for walks or playing.
    It is just the snoring and chocking.
    I dont really want to put him under the knife but i dont want him to have trouble later in life.
    Is the operation serious?
    We would be lost without him.


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    What a cutie!!! Have you tried floating his kibble in water to slow down the eating? And I mean float! LOL I have no experience with the nares/palate surgery but lots of experienced members I am sure will respond! All pugs snore to a certain extent, Wasabi is a quiet snorer and uses a grumbly/snore noise to communicate (kind of like a complaining old man! LOL) Also I noticed a collar in his photos...do you use a harness? Collars can be super bad for their necks!

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    Hi, and welcome to the village! Another new Villager just posted questions about this the day before, so I'll send you to that link (my post is the second reply). The info is the same (except you can ignore the collapsing trachea info): https://www.pugvillage.com/forum/pug-...-syndrome.html

    Palate trimming and nostril enlargement are standard procedures (when done by a vet who is experienced in brachycephalic dogs) and can make a huge difference in your pug's quality (and length) of life. Generally it's very safe. I've had two pugs who've had it done: Chainsaw has an extremely narrow airway and had to have six surgeries: four (plus nostril enlargement) at a surgical specialist center to repair the damage done in the original two by my local vet, which were done incorrectly. It was a tough time, and he's still limited by rough breathing, but can now play and take short walks without getting exhausted, so is definitely much better now. Pooka, who had it done as a puppy 12 years ago, had wonderful results immediately, with no problems with breathing since. If Duke isn't neutered yet, you might consider getting a consult on nose/throat surgery at the same time so the procedures might be done at once (that's what we did with Chainsaw and Pooka).

    The surgery can be done by traditional surgery or by laser; some say the laser has a quicker recovery time and less scar tissue (the less, the better, to avoid the need for further surgeries, but most pugs do fine with just one).

    If your pug snores very loudly or seems easily tired or breathes hard with exercise, it is definitely worth getting a consult. The vacuum and pressure buildup from longterm breathing problems can cause a cascade of other issues and increasing stress with age, and most pugs have great results from the surgery. Good luck, and keep us posted!
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    Thanks for the replies!
    @wisabimom
    When i first got him i would wet the food but i will try floating the food.
    Haha duke does the same thing snoring at him for me to share the food.
    I only use the collar for his name tag even though he is never outside on his own.
    I have it on very loose.
    The harness is used when we are walking.

    @Locann55
    Thanks for the information its a first for me.
    I wouldnt be sure if my vet would be very familar with this kind of operation.
    I would say they have done afew operations.
    Pugs wouldnt be too common in my town in ireland.
    He isnt neurted yet and i am not planning on breeding him so i think it would be good idea to get it done at the same time if he needs the operation.

    He would snore loud but there is no issues with tiredness or heavey breathing when walking.
    We went a 40 minute walk saturday and a 30minute walk today and he was still full of energy.
    Just his normally nap a couple of hours after.

    Its good to hear youre pugs are ok now.
    When they had their operations did they have to stay overnight for a couple days after the operation?
    My vet said they would keep him for a week after it .
    I will go back to my vet next weekend and talk with them.
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    Bmcm3, The (different) vets kept Pooka and Chainsaw only overnight for their palate and nostril enlargement. Pooka did fine, but Chainsaw's problems were due to his (very) unusual anatomy and the original surgeon doing too much at once (the specialist told me they now recommend not removing both saccules at once due to risk of swelling). Most dogs do fine.

    A week seems a long time, but it depends on your dog and your circumstances. If everything looks good postop and you can keep him very quiet at home (as in crate rest) in the postop week, it might be OK to recupe at home after a couple of days. It's crucial to not let him exercise or get excited -- no breathing heavily in the healing period to avoid airway swelling.

    Most pugs gulp their food. My Chainsaw also gobbles and regurgitates unless I feed him by hand or very small amounts in a slow-food bowl--that can help a lot. Maze Dog Food Bowl - Slows Rapid Eating - The Green Head I think raw food (ground) is probably safer as an aspiration risk than kibble. Wet kibble is less risky. Keeping Duke slim can make a big difference in ease of breathing, as well.

    Most pugs snore, too. If Duke can do a 40-minute walk without excess loud breathing or tiredness and returns to normal breathing quickly after he's rested, he may not need the surgery. If he doesn't have long periods in his sleep where he isn't breathing (apnea), or episodes of reverse sneezing when he's awake (choking/gasping for breath sounds), surgery may not be necessary. However, I bet that a lot of pugs who are loud breathers even when awake would probably benefit from the surgery, especially as they age. If your vet has experience, they can tell if Duke needs it. Good luck!
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