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    I don't care what color a pug is. They are all beautiful to me. My little Willow is considered "smutty", her father was a black pug and her mother a fawn. She is the alpha pug here and at least once a day has to show the boys who's boss by humping one of them. I then will say, Willow! Knock it off you smutty girl.
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    Nougan is an exceptionally handsome man, now if we could have more pic, please?

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    There is a difference between smutty and brindle. The smutty part is created from tiny black guard hairs. Most fawn pugs have them, some have more than others. Fawn pugs should also have a marking called a trace, which is a black line that goes from the base of the neck to the base of the tail. Some fawns have a wide trace that looks like a saddle and many times it fades with maturity. The "bleeding" of the trace can also give the appearance of smutty.

    Brindle as said on many occasions is a pattern not a color. I am sorry but the pugs don't carry this trait. Recessive genes are present for about 17 generations. Now if anyone with a brindle can go back 17 generations on their pug and prove to me that they were all in fact pugs, I will give it to you.

    Remember AKC is a "FOR PROFIT" business and they will register any color that pays them the $20. AKC has the right to ask for pictures and DNA, but what good is that if the entire line can't be looked at? The standard set forth by the PDCA clear depicts 2 colors, fawn and black. Of coarse both have their variations, as with any color.

    One thing that bothers me about your post is not the discussion of brindles it is in fact you claim your BRINDLE pug has been cleared for breeding. I would like to know who did such clearences because it is NOT ethical to breed something that is not correct. According to the standard your pug has a major fault and should not be bred. Perhaps I read your statement incorrect, but I would be mortified as a keeper of this breed to think that someone is intentionally breeding something that could destroy this breed we all love so much. Just my 2 cents.

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    I think brindles are adorable! Dayna's Bear stole my heart a long time ago. You have a very handsome little boy!



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    Quote Originally Posted by sixteenpaws View Post
    Yes, the "rare white pug"


    Not to be confused with the "rare white faced pug". They are VERY special.
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    Yes, I remember this discussion and I agree with Donnag "I really don't know anything about the AKC, but then again I never really cared to, it's not my thing. I love all pugs, black, fawn, silver, apricot or brindle ( did I forget any) for me it's not the lineage it's the love they give me."

    I am not an expert on the breed or dogs in general, and as not to offend anyone, I wont comment any more on the issue. Except for that if anything is to be "bred out" of pugs, I would get rid of the excessive shedding before I got rid of brindle coloring
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    I, too, think all pugs are cute... but totally agree with Sarina!!!

    A brindle pug should not be bred! That's my opinion!
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    I think the thing to remember is that good breeders are breeding to a certain standard-the perfect pug if you will. And from what I understand, this is a very specific standard, very exacting in colors, dimensions, etc. etc. etc. and this standard does not change nor waver. So when folks say that this that or the other should not be bred, it's NOT because of a dislike but rather because they are just not carrying the traits needed to achieve the pug standard. And it's NOT just brindles. There are many many pugs that should not be bred as they don't come close to standard. I think my Laura is perfect but I'd imagine that her easty/westy feet and little bowled front legs are light years away from standard and as such, she would not be a good candidate for breeding. (And I would never try-I leave that sort of thing to folks that know what they are doing . All of my dogs are spayed/neutered.)

    Actually, I have a houseful of pugs that probably won't come near standard-all rescues either by rescue or individuals. And while I would NEVER seek out someone that was deliberately breeding something away from the standard, if one of the little brindles showed up in rescue, I'd be sorely tempted because they are cute.

    And did I even make sense at all? I'm tired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luvbean25 View Post
    Recessive genes are present for about 17 generations.
    Can you show me where this comes from? I have never heard of this in any of my research regarding genes.

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    I think a brindle pug loos adorable and, if one dropped out of the sky into my lap, I'd probably take him in...but I would never go buy a brindle pug. I see these dogs in the same way I view designer dogs - it's just another thing to rescue. There are puggles galore in rescue at the moment - Chugs too. It's not necessary for the world to have more puppies that don't improve the breed.
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