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    Pat's Crew - thanks. I never thought a loss of hearing could cause screaming in the night. I'm not sure how much hearing Wasabi has lost, but I know it's significant. It takes a very loud voice or a significant vibration (footsteps on tile) to get him to react these days. Thanks for the tip regarding the light. I'll try that next time.

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    YOU are welcome...and yea they will scream in the night. the night light does work..glad I could give you some suggestion there to help.
    one of the first sign of deafness in any dog..and helped lots of them already..is the screaming in the night even as puppies they do it..
    first question I ask someone if they suspect a deaf dog or going deaf dog..

    I had a friend that thought her dog was in pain at night..woke up screaming all the time. took her to the vet and she was deaf...

    goodluck with the night light..
    A pugs world is full of play and sleep and of course good food.........

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    My Bug has these, what I term "sleep seizures", she is also a senior. Although she does not scream, she does whimper, bark, shake, flail about, sometimes wetting herself, sometimes they are so violent she has fallen off the bed or couch. She will wake from them, but it is often very difficult to rouse her and she is a little dazed and "off' for a few minutes afterwards. These increased in frequency and she had a couple full blown short, grand mal seizures during the day as well. The vet has put her on PB, and so far she is still doing it, but it takes 4-6 weeks for it to reach therapeutic levels, and she's not there yet.

    Roxane, how much melatonin do you give Betsy? I'm definitely willing to try it for Bug.

    The vet said if her seizures are not controlled by the PB and they continue to progressively become more frequent and worse that she most likely has a brain tumor. In which case the plan will be to make her comfortable for whatever quality time she has left and then have him out to put her down at home where she is comfortable, secure and relaxed.

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    Im so sorry to hear about Bug, Lisa. That must be really scarry to see what she is going through. My thoughts are with you and Miss Bug.

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    Our Bud (12 years old, epileptic, & deaf) is a night screamer too. He doesn't do it all of the time but it sure is scary when he wakes us up like that!
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    Hi: Our pug Homer is 7 years old. When he is asleep, we know when he is dreaming. Sometimes, we will hear him whining or a bark/yelp like sound. And his body will shake ever few seconds or so. Not a seizure. the other night he was having a dream and we knew it was a good dream because his tail was wagging and he was barking lightly. Maybe your pug is having a dream but not a good dream. If you haven't I would take him to the vet. Our pug has hip displasia and arthritis. He is on meds for this. He also has allergies and is on meds for this too. He had so many ear infections, especially in one ear, that he had ear surgery in which the vet took out half of the ear on the inside so that looking at him you would never know he had surgery on the ear. If you pull his ear back, you can now see the actually hole to the ear drum. He hasn't had an ear infection since. And my vet tells me that allergies play a huge roll in ear infections just like they do in humans. He was just diagnosed with Pannus (can lead to blindness if left untreated). Thank god he was diagnosed early enough. All of the conditions your pug has can be treated to a certain extent by the vet but it is costly. We have pet insurance on our pet and so very glad we do. Good luck with Peanut.

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    Hi everyone! Thanks for all the comments. I must admit that it is a relief to know that others have experienced the same night terrors with their beloved pugs. Not that I hope for anyone to go through this, but it is good to at least know that it's not entirely unheard of. The vet just thought he was dreaming, and wouldn't listen to my insistence otherwise, so needless to say, we are trying out a new vet today (that same vet ended up giving us over $200 worth of treatments he didn't need- and I didn't go in for!)

    Unfortunately Peanut hasn't gotten any better. The terrors that I hoped had gone away eventually returned and he has them regularly. Also he continuously coughs/gags and yesterday this became really bad. My poor little guy can hardly get any sleep so I'm REALLY hoping this new vet can offer him some relief. I realize that at his age, his time with us is even more precious than ever, and at the least, I want to make him comfortable and give him so much love.

    I met a guy at the store the other day who told me he lost his pug at the ripe old age of 21! I'm not sure if Peanut can give me that many more years, but I do have hope!!!

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    Hi

    I know exactly what you're talking about! One of our pugs, Gordy (who is 11 yrs. old) also does the screaming thing in the middle of the night...

    He also has tracheal collapse, so we thought that it was a symptom of that/somehow related to it.

    He does it almost every night. Sometimes 2, 3, even 4 times in one night. We have not been able to figure out what this is.

    I saw him do it once... He was sleeping soundly, then I thought I heard a little sound like his throat getting stuck, he jerked a little almost as though what had happened had woken him up (though he stayed lying down/did not sit up), and all of the sudden he started making that really loud screaming noise... and he looked like he was having a seizure to me though I wasn't sure - his front legs were jerking up and down but also bent 'up,’ you know, like toward his face, and his back legs were stretched out and kind of jerking/twitching (he was on his side), all while he was making this really loud noise. -And then, very suddenly as I thought I heard a little noise of his throat becoming unstuck, the noise and movements all stopped... And then he was sitting there like normal, just lapping the air with his tongue.

    The episode could last 10 seconds or more I think. He also has shorter ones.

    I didn't want to touch him while it was happening, for fear that I might startle him and if he was already unable to breathe, it would mess up the process of him re-opening his airway?

    Our pugs have been sleeping on a towel... when we tried to give them doggie beds, Gordy's episodes like this increased a lot, up to 4 times a night...Previously he had been sleeping with his neck outstretched and his chin up on his brother, Pugsley's, back... We had to take the doggie beds away at night and just have them out in the daytime.. It seems as though it helps to keep Gordy's airway open when his chin is up on Pugsley's back.... but he still does it almost every night.

    A vet told us once that a treatment for tracheal collapse is to insert a stint in the trachea to hold it open... but we were also told that Gordy was at high risk for being put under anesthesia, that he might not make it back out... I'm not sure what to do?

    From reading the above posts in this thread, it really seems like he might either be having seizures from lack of oxygen possibly from either his trachea collapsing in his sleep, or his palate or epiglottis blocking his airway... plus possible night terrors? Do you think that these episodes are really due to tracheal collapse... Or could it be some other thing happening that restricts/cuts off his breathing when he's sleeping? If it's the palate or epiglottis blocking his airway, is this something treatable without surgical intervention/anesthesia?

    The first time my family heard him ‘scream’ in his sleep was probably around early 2010.

    Gordy coughs and wheezes a lot in the daytime also... but he doesn't "scream" in the daytime.

    I feel REALLY bad that we haven't figured this out. Especially since now I know they might be seizures. Awh, I feel bad. What's wrong with my family and me?

    Well, I know this thread was started over a year ago.. I hope someone sees this. There's a pug specialist somewhere in VT (where we live), perhaps I can ask him about this.

    We'll be contacting the regular local (non-pug-specialist) vet today for Gordy, because he has seemed like he is having an intestinal blockage maybe since late last night... Was barking a lot when he usually doesn't, restless and pacing, puked once, and couldn't sit down for long, and wouldn't lie down to sleep, and was having a little of a hard time breathing... Poor buddy. This vet probably won't know what to do about the nighttime screaming, but we can ask. I read about a whole bunch of symptoms of possible ailments online last night, none of them quite matched what Gordy is presently going through/possible intestinal blockage... omg.

    Thanks for reading & for any advice/info,

    & I’m glad Peanut is doing better!

    Sincerely,
    Ruthie
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    MamaPugLover,

    So sorry to hear Peanut has not improved! ..I didn't see the second page of posts... Please let us know if you find a treatment that helps. Hope he gets better.
    best of luck,
    Sincerely,
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    Just a thought here
    dogs that are loosing their hearing will BARK in the middle of the night for no reason
    I have a deaf dog and he does quite a bit actually. if you turn on a light and pat the dog..they are usually ok..
    what sounds like a nightmare might just be feeling dioriented in the bed..
    A pugs world is full of play and sleep and of course good food.........

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